Season 12 General Discussion

[bluesbrother]

One more thing about last night was the predominance of femme guys, 'pretty boy/non-masculine' types.

The judges even made indirect reference to it when talking upJohnny's so-called masculinity. 

At what point does it make no sense to have a Boys Night and Girls Night, especially when there are, for example, Jda on the boys side and Ke...? (I can't remember her name, but you know the one who was knocked out in Hollywood with the hat and the yellow tape around her shoe) on the girls' side?

[nstaeheli]

I agree with you 100%.  As a heterosexual female, I would like to see a "man" in this competition.  You got 2 gay guys and 2 little boys for the top 5 guys so far.  Devin is the only one that seems somewhat manly to me.  But Jimmy and Johnny were both alpha males and it appears that they got penalized for it. 

[aharris33]

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nstaeheli wrote:

I agree with you 100%.  As a heterosexual female, I would like to see a "man" in this competition.  You got 2 gay guys and 2 little boys for the top 5 guys so far.  Devin is the only one that seems somewhat manly to me.  But Jimmy and Johnny were both alpha males and it appears that they got penalized for it. 

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Do we know the sexuality of the contestants? Or are you stereotyping? Don't get me wrong I wanted Jimmy and Johnny to go through but aren't you going a bit to far on this assumption? A lot of straight guys might come off gay to you if they like drama and singing but they may really LOVE them some women

[bluesbrother]

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nstaeheli wrote:

I agree with you 100%.  As a heterosexual female, I would like to see a "man" in this competition.  You got 2 gay guys and 2 little boys for the top 5 guys so far.  Devin is the only one that seems somewhat manly to me.  But Jimmy and Johnny were both alpha males and it appears that they got penalized for it. 

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I guess like so much else it comes down to a matter of taste.

I'm all for gender-bending in the mode of early Bowie, Annie Lennox, Grace Jones and many others.

I'm just not taken with cabaret type peformances like Jda's or the super-stylized pretty boy thing a la Elijah. Speaking of which, it's interesting how big a deal Elijah makes of his appeal with the ladies.

[bluesbrother]

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aharris33 wrote:

Do we know the sexuality of the contestants? Or are you stereotyping? Don't get me wrong I wanted Jimmy and Johnny to go through but aren't you going a bit to far on this assumption? A lot of straight guys might come off gay to you if they like drama and singing but they may really LOVE them some women

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That's along the lines of the original point I was trying to make. Does it make sense these days to box people into Boys and Girls when the lines of gender/sexuality are so blurred?

[aharris33]

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bluesbrother wrote:

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aharris33 wrote:

Do we know the sexuality of the contestants? Or are you stereotyping? Don't get me wrong I wanted Jimmy and Johnny to go through but aren't you going a bit to far on this assumption? A lot of straight guys might come off gay to you if they like drama and singing but they may really LOVE them some women

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That's along the lines of the original point I was trying to make. Does it make sense these days to box people into Boys and Girls when the lines of gender/sexuality are so blurred?

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I can understand why the have to seperate regardless. Equality and such. There has to be equal chance given up until voting rounds begin. I don't see any other way of doing it fairly because just like us the judges are going to always prefer one over the other. 

[poisnivyred]

I don't really care if they're manly, feminine, gay, straight, transgender, or alien as long as they can sing and they move me..

[syblcat]

What exactly are you looking for in an Idol that gender preference or feminine/masculine style matter? I am not judging anybody. If you only want to vote for someone you're attracted to or that you personally identify with that's fine. But if you're watching for musicality, why would it matter?

In terms of the parallel competitions right now, Idol has for most seasons tried to keep the male/female ration pretty equal in the beginning I guess just to provide fair representation. But a man is a man whether or not he wears a dress and eyeliner or is gay, or even answers to "girl."

[bluesbrother]

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syblcat wrote:

 But a man is a man whether or not he wears a dress and eyeliner or is gay, or even answers to "girl."

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I think there are more and more people who would disagree with you. Society seems to be moving away from black and white definitions of Man/Woman Boy/Girl.

[syblcat]

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bluesbrother wrote:

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syblcat wrote:

 But a man is a man whether or not he wears a dress and eyeliner or is gay, or even answers to "girl."

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I think there are more and more people who would disagree with you. Society seems to be moving away from black and white definitions of Man/Woman Boy/Girl.

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I understand what you're saying, but Idol is and never has been "cutting edge" on societal mores.